Former Vice President Mike Pence is on a collision course with Donald Trump.
No one could have predicted it would come to this.
And that’s because Mike Pence gave one bombshell answer that sealed his fate with Donald Trump.
The biggest source of conflict between Donald Trump – and a chunk of his base – and Mike Pence is what happened on January 6.
Pence was reminded of that fact during a Young Americans for Freedom event at the University of Iowa.
The former vice president attended an event in Iowa because of its pivotal role in the GOP presidential primary process.
An attendee asked Pence about a story that on January 5 Pence met with Trump, Trump’s lawyer John Eastman, and other aides where Pence agreed to reject certain states’ Electoral College vote counts based on allegations of widespread fraud.
“On January 5th, you were convinced that the election was correctly stolen,” the questioner began, “You, Trump, Peter Navarro, John Eastman, and others had a plan on the morning of the 6th to send the certification back to the states.”
The man then asked who convinced Pence to “buck” Donald Trump and accept the electoral vote count showing Joe Biden won.
“On the night of the 5th or the morning of the 6th, someone in the White House convinced you that it would destroy your hopes of becoming president if you sent it back to the states. My question is what is the name of the person who told you to buck President Trump’s plan and certify the votes?” the questioner concluded.
Mike Pence shot back that “James Madison” – meaning the Constitution – outlined a merely ceremonial role in the joint session of Congress where the vice president counted the Electoral College votes.
Pence also disputed the story that Pence agreed to reject certain states’ Electoral College vote counts.
“Everything you’ve recited relative to me is false,” Pence added.
Pence continued explaining that the Constitution granted states the power to administer the election and that Pence had no authority to reject any results certified by the states.
“The Constitution is very clear that elections are to be governed at the state level. The Founders actually made that decision at the Constitutional Convention. And the only role of the federal government was to open and count the electoral votes that were sent by the states,” Pence continued.
Pence told the questioner that he believed there were “irregularities” in states like Arizona and Georgia, but that Pence had no other option.
“I understand the disappointment in the election,” Pence concluded. “But you’ve got to be willing to do your duty.”
What makes this answer interesting is the fact that Pence is rumored to run for president in 2024 even if Donald Trump enters the race.
That could give Pence and Trump a chance to hash this out on a debate stage.
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